Obama smashes critics

There has been a mini-riot this afternoon over Barack Obama's comments at a fund-raiser in elite, unAmerican San Francisco. I'm sure you know it by heart at this point:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

More about this below:

Clinton had something to say about this, McCain's campaign did, and of course all the media said thing after thing.

An Obama spokesman came out with some kind of lame, too-clever, consultant-driven gobbledygook, and it was looking bad for the kid.

Then he spoke up in his own voice:

Go watch this video. Really. You need to watch this video.

No, really. Go watch it now, and come back.

This was what I wanted from the candidate.

I knew he was being Gored, and I'm sure that many people who either read the full context of his SF comments, or understood his positions knew he was being Gored. I was starting to be afraid that he would get rolled on this one.

But no.

He once again assured me that not only did I pick the candidate who had the best grasp on the issues, I picked the one with the skills and the sand to make stuff actually happen. I couldn't be happier with my choice.



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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

Sorry, I seem to be late to the game with this.


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:27:42 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 3)

He can smash the critics all he wants, he is a good cry baby. But he has gone over the edge too many times, thinking that nothing he says or does will ever stick. He could give a thousand sermons on the mount, but you can bet this mistake will cost him big.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:31:10 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

And you'd said that about how many other issues?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:32:00 PM EST
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No need to respond to him, (none / 0)

he is "OUT OF TOUCH".


by tracey webb on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:33:06 PM EST
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Re: No need to respond to him, (none / 0)

Compared to who? Hillary?

HAHAHAHAHA! I needed a laugh- lol- thanks.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:55:10 AM EST
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Cost him big? You are delusional. (none / 0)

Hillary can win the rest of these few contests, sorry she don't have enough states to catch up and remember she told most of the states "they were not important", at seventy percent and Obama still beat her in all the metrics.  Cost him?  No, this is getting ready for the general election.


by tracey webb on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:34:39 PM EST
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That's the difference. (2.00 / 1)

He didn't say 'Oh, I was tired and I misspoke.  Why is everyone picking on me?'

He addressed it head on like he always does.  And he received a standing O for it, like he always does.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:01:10 PM EST
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Re: That's the difference. (none / 0)

Exactly Senator Obama comes out of this looking great. The voters really want to see if he can handle a punch. Great job Obama


by Politicalslave on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:34:11 AM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

"When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.

"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on there? We hear that's its hard for some working class people to get behind you're campaign. I said, "Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what rich. Senator Clinton says `No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, `Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.'

"Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America."


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:31:34 PM EST

If Barack says so, it must be (2.00 / 1)

" And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them"

He acts like we haven't lived in this world too. Republicans run on taxes, taxes, taxes. It is a truism that people vote their pocketbook. But since His Holiness has decreed that they don't, I guess they don't.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35:12 PM EST
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Re: If Barack says so, it must be (none / 0)

So, uhh, you didn't actually get it, did you? He's saying people don't care anymore about Washington's issues; they are cynical and bitter and disaffected. So if someone says "Hey, XYZ is gonna take your guns away from you, vote for me", they identify with that instead, and that's how they base their vote.

But I suppose you wouldn't get it. I don't know how I do, what in being a latte sipping, Prius-driving, etc, etc.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:57:28 AM EST
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I got it (none / 0)

I just disagree with him. Bush ran on a whopping tax cut. To give back the surplus. Of course there always is a healthy dose of social issues. Guess what? Those issues are very important to alot of non-bitter people no matter what the economic environment is. In 2004 it was a unique year with the war and the gay-marriage backlash and the economy wasn't as bad off as now.

And BTW while he was busy running the Clinton administration into the ground, he failed to mention that the unemployment rate was low in PA at the end of the Clinton administration.  Clinton's policies worked but that doesn't fit into his narrative so he just casually lies about it and lumps Clinton in with the Bushes.


by ineedalife on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:56:45 PM EST
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Re: If Barack says so, it must be (none / 0)

They don't - where have you been the last two election cycles?  They vote on guns, abortion, flag burning and patriotism.  How else do you explain all those poor red states?


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:34:37 AM EST
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Hillary and McCain (2.00 / 1)

were hoisted by their own petards.  (so to speak)

He turned their words on them and said 'And they think I'm out of touch?'  And he hits another one out of the ballpark.

Those two characters throw everything they can dig up, everything they can parse, everything they can invent at him and he rises above them over and over.  Gee, I wonder why he is winning?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:33:41 PM EST

Re: Hillary and McCain (2.00 / 1)

Obama just showed everyon how he will take on the Repugs. What an amazing response. We are not AFRAID of anything the they can throw at us. If Hillary and her supporters are so afraid of what they'll do, then she is not the right candidate for the job.

WE ARE NOT AFRAID!


by lion king on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38:32 PM EST
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Re: Hillary and McCain (none / 0)

I'm in London, so just logged on to find this shit storm. But every time something like this happens, I read hundreds of anti-Obama posts, but I never get that panicky feeling I got with Kerry.  I know that it will have been taken out of context - it was - and I know that when Obama responds it will be thoughtful, convincing and true.  Just like Wright, people listen to the response, and just say, you know, he's right.  And it rebounds on the attacker.  I expect like all the other attacks, he will come out ahead with this.  It just gives him another chance to talk about issues that he is very strong on - and the elitist attack from $110m Hillary is going nowhere.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:40:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

elite, unAmerican San Francisco

What is that about?

by TexasDem4Clinton on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:35:27 PM EST

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This is standard media damnation by inference. Don't you recognize it?


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:37:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

thats the subtext of the attacks


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:40:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

Even though I think he is speaking the truth, I don't think this will play well with voters in PA.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.  It'll be interesting to see what happens come Monday and Tuesday.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:40:26 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

Neither would Rev. Wright, and we see how he's closed the gap in PA. Maybe the electorate is smarter than cynical Clinton and McCain would have us believe.


by amiches on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

You are too askeerd.

The only question is whether his response will get as much airtime as the attacks.


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:43:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

What attacks?  Have you even read his initial "controversial" remarks?


by RussTC3 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:44:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

Obama's reply in IN = "Just Words".


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:45:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

Venavena, given all the hysteria in the other diaries, I appreciate that you at least believe Obama doesn't actually hate rural citizens. It's depressing that things have gotten so bad around here that I'm this relieved a Clinton supporter said it.

I'm sure it'll give Clinton a mini-bump as the Tuzla story did for Obama. Still, 12 days is a lot of time, so we'll see if things settle down or if it has a lasting impact.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:49:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

I actually lean Obama.  I think people are just getting really nitpicky the tighter this race gets and they're really trying to make every little thing into a full blown controversy.  I think it just goes to show that people are getting tired of this thing dragging out.  

Obama DOES NOT hate rural citizens and I really have to question anyone who could draw all of that from his comment.  


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:09:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

Oh. Well, I definitely agree with you. But if you lean Obama, then the drought continues in the search for a reasonable Clinton supporter. All I'm looking for is someone to concede that he doesn't actually hate rural citizens, but I guess even that small grace is too much to ask. Whatever. Another night, another ginned-up outrage.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:12:27 PM EST
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Personally (none / 0)

If you really want some Clinton adheret to reach out to you on behalf of reasonable discourse, you might think of goig a little light on statements like "the drought continues in  the search for a reasonable Clinton supporter."  This is the internet; you ask for a punch in the chops and you're gonna get it.


by Trickster on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:19:40 AM EST
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I think it's the media (none / 0)

trying to turn every little thing into a full blown controversy to give themselves something to talk about. Every little thing from Clinton and Obama, that is. Not so much with McCain.


by georgiapeach on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:31:24 AM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

Nicely done!

We all know how political coverage works: the initial comment always gets 20x the airtime of the response, but dang, he really nailed it out of the park. If the media wants to cover this truthfully, they'll run that clip every time they report on this idiotic story. (Not that I have much faith in the media to do so.)

I remember a day when Democrats wouldn't let one of our candidates be painted as an "elitist"--we fought against the Edwards haircut story last year, and agaisnt the avalanche of horrid Kerry-bashing the media propagated in '04. What people are posting here to attack Obama is utterly indistinguishable from what they'd say on redstate or freerepublic.

Nonetheless, it's good to know Obama has the ability to respond rapidly and go back on the offensive.

Thanks for posting.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:44:34 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 3)

Smash his critics?  Uh who, the Pennsylvanians?

..."his critics".  my let's compliment him on his poor chosen words.

And yes, it was HIS ACTIONS that are causing the upset of what HE SAID about Pennsylvanians and "all through the midwest".

...but let him whine that folks are calling him out on his stupid, mean and disparaging comments.  Yes, yes, poor Barack for expecting him to be held accountable for anything and everything he does wrong.


by LindaSFNM on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:44:36 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

it isn't whining, it's responding to attacks.

nice strawman, though. He does expect people to hold him accountable for things--i.e. his response the california delegate dust-up. Responding to attacks that mis-construe his words isn't whining.

(1) People put his statements in the worst possible light.
(2) He responds.
(3) He's whining.

Great argument!


"Don't let it end this way; tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa
by shef on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:49:06 PM EST
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Funny. (2.00 / 1)

Since when are John McCain and Hillary Clinton Pennsylvanians?


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by Drew on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:11:18 PM EST
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Re: Funny. (none / 0)

Bingo. Hillary McCain seems to think that expressing false outrage gives you some empathetic cred with the target audience. It doesn't. I bet real people in PA - other than paid thugs (the people who griped about "typical white persons") - think Obama was dead on.


by elrod on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:11:29 AM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (none / 0)

Fact free as usual.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:45:05 AM EST
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rec'd (2.00 / 1)

this whole "gaffe" is just another straw man from the right--and, sadly, from other Democrats.

The only way to construe Obama as some kind of elitist is to give only the most liminal understanding of his statement, then put in a narrative of other mis-understood statements.

That was a great video. thanks for the diary--now I don't have to right one :)


"Don't let it end this way; tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa
by shef on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:46:16 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

Obama was right on and had a real "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" quality.

Hell yes,  people are damn frustrated and bitter. They have been screwed over. The middle class has shrunk, manufacturing jobs are gone, we have a recession and a stupid war. For Clinton to say that there aren't those feelings makes her look like she's not the candidate of change but the candidate of happy talk.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:54:09 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

More happy talk by Obama is that the downturn started under Clinton.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:57:50 PM EST
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He didn't say that. (none / 0)

He said it started under Bush 41.  And then all the politicians come along and promise to do something, to fix things, but they never do.  He said it's no wonder people don't trust politicians and don't vote on economic issues, because they've been lied to so much.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:05:06 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (2.00 / 1)

Yup.  Just link the Clintons to the Shrubs because the Clintons lie when they state they created an "era of peace and prosperity" with a surplus budget that the latest Shrub squandered.  Yup, the Clintons were just awful.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:09:29 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (2.00 / 1)

There are no glass houses in politics.

You're going to throw stones, and you'd better watch for incoming. It's given.

Until a nominee is decided, Hillary and Obama are opponents.

I don't begrudge her taking a shot at him for his sloppy language in SF, but don't pretend that it's unfair for him to shoot back.


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:22:29 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (2.00 / 1)

That's where you're wrong.  Obama's campaign has been anything but fair politics.  His campaign is straight out of the South Side Chicago playbook; starting with Jesse Jackson, Jr. on CNN, Donna Brazile re: "fairy tale", etc.  It was the race card used to the campaigns advantage.  In fact so much so the "the first black president" was smeared a racist.  Thus, Hillary lost the AA vote and, well, here we are today.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:28:50 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (2.00 / 1)

I have a devastating zinger for this, but it's really kind of mean, so I'll hold my tongue.

Let's just say that I find your argument unconvincing, okay?


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35:05 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (none / 0)

I have a sense of humor, zing away....


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:37:00 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (none / 0)

I'd send it to you privately (if you insisted) in the spirit of robust discourse, but I'll not post it publicly. Believe me, it's rude, and I have no reason to be rude to you in public.

Or in private, of course.

What was the question?


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:43:14 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (none / 0)

I'm guessing it has something to do with Clinton and 'smears' - best kept private.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:47:45 AM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (2.00 / 1)

Pennsylvania's unemployment rate was actually cut in half during the Clinton years. The unemployment rate was down around 4%. But Obama claimed Clinton did nothing for them. He is a liar.


by ineedalife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:27:53 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (none / 0)

Okay, now there's a substantive argument.

Let's have more like that, and less of the "elite" nonsense.

Not that it will happen, of course.


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38:08 PM EST
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Re: He didn't say that. (none / 0)

True, but PA is a big state and parts of PA did quite poorly in the 1990s. Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and the York/Lancaster/Harrisburg area did much better in the 1990s because they moved away from old-line manufacturing. But Erie, Allentown, Scranton and Johnstown are still devastated.

Look, this is structural what's gone on in the Rust Belt the last few decades. Bill Clinton was actually right in 1993 to recognize the structural changes and endorse free trade so that the areas that once relied on old steel jobs could transition to something different. I'm a rare free trader in the Democratic Party, I guess, and I wish both candidates would stop pandering on manufacturing jobs that are not coming back.

That said, the anger in the old Rust Belt towns is real, and politicians have deflected it to cultural issues for decades. That this is shocking is disingenuous, especially for Democrats, who've been on the wrong side of this BS for many cycles.


by elrod on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:17:45 AM EST
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Now, now, yall. (2.00 / 5)

You know that Hillary Clinton and John McCain are right - America is perfectly happy with its subsistence!  Optimistic, even!

Really, how dare Barack Obama say that America is unhappy?  Everyone knows that America is perfectly satisfied.


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by Drew on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:56:41 PM EST

Obama is the unhappy one. (2.00 / 1)

Isn't it obvious now, that he's the one who carries racial conflict within himself.   He's the malcontent who sees discontent whereever he looks.  He sits in Wright's church and listens to hate, instead of choosing one of the many joy-based African American churches.   He's living out his own neurosis on the public stage and dragging a lot of other folks into it.  This is going to make for some interesting minor dissertations some day.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:52:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama is the unhappy one. (none / 0)

What has this discussion to do with race? And when did Hillary become the joy-based candidate?


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:57:58 PM EST
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Wright doesn't teach hate every week (none / 0)

He saves it for when Hillary needs a talking point.

Seriously, get a grip.  Wright isn't a hatemonger, he's a conspiracy theorist... among all the good things he's done.

I haven't seen a single thing that preaches hate of people.  Government?  Sure.  Government prolly deserves it, though.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:33:25 AM EST
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That is madness. (2.00 / 1)

I mean, really.  I would think, given every ridiculous bit of dime store psychology that has been written about Hillary Clinton since 1991, that her supporters would be hesitant to offer up exactly that sort of horseshit against anyone else.

And yet here it is.  And not for the first time - this sort of lunacy about Obama is an article of faith among some of her supporters.

You know, the horseshit about Clinton has always said more about her detractors than it ever said about her.  And your view of him says more about you than it does about him.


Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:02:43 AM EST
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Re: Obama is the unhappy one. (none / 0)

So are you one of the 18% of Americans satisfied with the direction of the country?

Why do you bother posting here? Go back to Red State and cheer on Romneyites and the "real conservatives."


by elrod on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:18:56 AM EST
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And he still attacked only McCain's (none / 0)

comments directly.  Class act, attacks only the repug.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:06:32 PM EST

Re: And he still attacked only McCain's (2.00 / 1)

You didn't watch the whole YouTube, did you?  He zinged Hillary too.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:11:09 PM EST
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Re: And he still attacked only McCain's (2.00 / 1)

The CAD!

(faint)


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:13:24 PM EST
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Re: And he still attacked only McCain's (2.00 / 1)

hehehe.  watch your language.  :)


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:19:29 PM EST
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Yeah, I did. (none / 0)

He mentioned them both together in the lead in to what he had to say.  But then he pointed specifically to how McCain is out of touch, no mention of Hillary.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:16:54 AM EST
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Re: Yeah, I did. (none / 0)

He mentioned Clinton's credit card silliness.  You might not have seen the whole video.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:34:28 AM EST
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Oh, I guess not. (none / 0)

Maybe I just heard part of it.  Rats!  He's the only person I can sit and listen to for forty-five minutes without fidgeting.  I'll have to ferret out the long version.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:21:22 AM EST
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Re: Oh, I guess not. (2.00 / 1)

Here't the link.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDo w


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:32:50 AM EST
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Yep, you are right. (none / 0)

I went to U-Tube and watched it.  Then got so fired up, I watched all his town hall meetings and speeches in Indiana and Pennsylvania.  Stayed up way to late.  :)


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:12:00 PM EST
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Rock on. (none / 0)


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:54:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 2)

Obama's the real deal -- better than Bill. Ya'll better bring kryptonite next time.


by RP McMurphy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:11:56 PM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 3)

When I watched the video, I couldn't help but notice the people in the background - working class Americans. In particular, the man with the red USMC shirt. He didn't look like a man who cracks a smile easily. Watch his reaction when Obama lights into McCain and Hillary.

Priceless!

Obama will have much more to say on this in PA, I have no doubt.

Man O man I can hardly wait to see him on the stage against McCain - he is going to run circles around that short little nasty man!


by jwolf on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:23:36 PM EST

Hell I said months ago that (2.00 / 2)

Obama is an effete northern snob, just like Dukakis, Teddy Kennedy (not so much Jack and Bobby), and the king of all effete northern snobs:  John Kerry.  

These losers have "had it in" for the Clintons because they think southerners are a bunch of stupid rednecks, and it really chaps their hides that only southern democrats have been able win presidential elections for the past 50 years.   Bill Clinton's success is precisely the unforgiveable sin he committed against the northern wing of the party.   And they will never forgive him for that.  

Obama is from the northern tradition and he's going to end up like all the rest (should he be nominated):  losing.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:48:59 PM EST

Re: Hell I said months ago that (2.00 / 1)

And, if he gets the nomination, he's pissed off so many Hillary supporters that it will be a McSame presidency.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:54:11 PM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (none / 0)

Chi,
What you are saying then is it will be HRC supporters who lost the election for the Dems. You really want four more years of the bush cheney polices?
by lion king on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:04:22 AM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (none / 0)

McSame isn't Shrub/Cheney.  He can get Reagan Dems, Independents.  But you, my fellow Dem, need to explain it all to the supporters of Emily's List and the N.O.W.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:06:55 AM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (none / 0)

McCain is even less nuanced than Bush/Cheney.  There's no telling what he'll do, really.

He must be stopped.  I don't think Clinton supporters are foolish enough to let him get away with the presidency.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:34:22 AM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (none / 0)

Dang Hawaiians. They're nothing like that sweet Southern Belle, Hillarah.


by Ddeele on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:00:16 AM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (none / 0)

I thought he was from Indonesia?  Isn't he a Muslim?  Is he American?


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:04:27 AM EST
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Re: Hell I said months ago that (2.00 / 1)

Terrorist! Quick! Vote for the Republican!


by Ddeele on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:06:16 AM EST
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"northern tradition"? (none / 0)

I thought all the Southern Democrats had joined the Republicans with Strom Thurmond?  Looks mnicholson0220 didn't get the memo.

Your comment pings you as a freeper.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:37:14 AM EST
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HRC is a Yankee (none / 0)

Are you really this obtuse? Hillary Clinton was born in Chicago and is a Senator from New York. I live in Tennessee. When she started putting on a Southern accent in Selma last year people here laughed hysterically.

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were Southern Democrats. Hillary Clinton is not. In fact, Hillary Clinton epitomizes in white Southerners' minds the effete Yankee intellectual.


by elrod on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:22:24 AM EST
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The pro-usury candidate attacks Hillary (2.00 / 1)

for credit card legislation?  You've got to be kidding me.  Obama voted AGAINST a 30% cap on interest rates, and he's raising credit card legislation?!  


by dhonig on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:54:34 PM EST

Several of the progressives did (none / 0)

because 30% is too high.  Why pass legislation that says the credit card companies can actually increase their interest rates to 30% before it is usury?  Better to hold off and pass real legislation holding the interest rates down to something sensible like 21% or 18%.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:20:47 AM EST
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I guess you haven't been paying 42% (none / 0)

Like I was last year when my cards got close to their limits.


by Trickster on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:20:28 AM EST
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Re: I guess you haven't been paying 42% (none / 0)

No, I haven't paid 42% ever on a credit card.  Close to their limits?  I've never heard of them raising the rate because a card is close to its limit.  Why did you pick one that had such an outrageous clause in there?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:01:18 PM EST
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Sigh (none / 0)

I take it you haven't been in that figuring-out-which-bills-i-can-afford-to -pay this month place.


by Trickster on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:50:16 PM EST
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I've been in that (none / 0)

put-the-bills-in-a-shoebox because none of them will be paid place.  In the last 5 years I have been down to a total of $800 in the bank with the mortgage coming due and no job.

When I moved to CA I arrived with $50 in my pocket, no job and 2 car payments behind.

Yup, been poor that's for sure.

Sounds like you are in that spot right now.  Hang in there.  You have my sympathy as I know it's no fun.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:58:07 PM EST
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Thank you (2.00 / 1)

No, I got a good job about a year ago--unfortunately (sigh again, but not a deep sigh at least) I'm working all weekend--and I've made a good dent in my credit card debt.  After that, law school loans.

Trust me on the 42% part.  Citibank made me pay 42% for 6 months because, while I was moving, I didn't receive my bill and, although I paid it, my payment was $10 short of what it was supposed to be and the late payment penalty put me over my limit, triggered more penalties, etc.


by Trickster on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:31:47 PM EST
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Banks and insurance companies (none / 0)

are bloodsuckers!  Hey, I wanted to go to law school too.  Took the LSAT's (86th percentile, not bad but not enough for UCLA) but I just couldn't figure out how to swing it financially.  So I ended up in IT...hence unemployed since 2002.  Contract worker now, no bennies.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:54:13 PM EST
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Re: Banks and insurance companies (none / 0)

I started law school at age 42.

You mentioned you moved to CA; I don't know where you're from, but if you're at all interested in returning to wherever you moved there from, 86th percentile will get you into most state schools, and state schools are great for working in-state.

You'll have to put your nose to the grindstone to guarantee getting a good job out of law school, but a good job will pay your law school loans.  That's basically the gamble I took.  Obviously, per this thread, it hasn't been all wine and roses, but overall I think it has been a good decision.  (If I had been a better personal finance manager, I would never have had to extend my credit cards so far, but I'm not, so I did.)


by Trickster on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:15:41 PM EST
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I was 45 and it was in the mid-90's. (none / 0)

I just moved back to CO in '06.  Now I'm in a small town in rural America...I figured since I telecommute I can work anywhere there's a high-speed internet connection.  Decided to try living in the country for a change.  Culture shock...especially lack of shopping here (except WalMart which I try to avoid)

Good on ya as a returning student.  When I was in school one of my profs said I was too old to go to law school (he actually said that) and I brought him an article of the 60-year-old woman who had just graduated from NY University law school.  Why should we roll over and play dead just because we are no longer in our 20's?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:47:24 AM EST
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Re: Several of the progressives did (none / 0)

Idiocy.  That's like saying "I let him stab you with a knife, because I was holding out for gun control."  There is no cap.  A 30% cap proposed.  Obama voted against it. There is no cap.  Enjoy your stab wound.


by dhonig on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:03:24 PM EST
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Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 2)

Believe what you want, be proud.  The people of Pennsylvania will be the final jury on this one.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:43:43 AM EST

Re: Obama smashes critics (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, Pennsylvania is a Big State, but it's only one. The others get a say, too.

For instance, I'm from Texas, where we love our guns, and went for Obama.

Fair and square.


by Ddeele on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:52:47 AM EST
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